Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Bull. From: Sharon Ericson
- 2a.
- Re: AUGH! "Taking statins in pregnancy could avert a caesarean, rese From: Lana Gibbons
- 2b.
- Re: AUGH! "Taking statins in pregnancy could avert a caesarean, rese From: Elena
- 2c.
- Re: AUGH! "Taking statins in pregnancy could avert a caesarean, rese From: Chris Masterjohn
- 3.1.
- Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome From: carolyn_graff
- 4.1.
- Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom From: Michael
- 4.2.
- Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom From: Michael
- 4.3.
- Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom From: Michael
- 4.4.
- Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom From: Michael
- 4.5.
- Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom From: Pendraig Siberians
- 4.6.
- Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom From: Chris Masterjohn
- 4.7.
- Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom From: Michael
- 5a.
- Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom From: Michael
- 5b.
- Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom From: Pendraig Siberians
- 5c.
- Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom From: Michael
- 5d.
- Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom From: Edella Sutcliffe
- 5e.
- Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom From: Michael
- 6.1.
- Re: calories in/out [How much was she paid to WRITE THIS CARP??? HFC From: Michael
- 6.2.
- Re: calories in/out [How much was she paid to WRITE THIS CARP??? HFC From: Michael
- 6.3.
- Re: calories in/out [How much was she paid to WRITE THIS CARP??? HFC From: Michael
- 7a.
- Re: HVAC air filter From: De Bell-Frantz
- 8a.
- Re: creme fraiche or mayo From: De Bell-Frantz
- 8b.
- Re: creme fraiche or mayo From: Chris Masterjohn
- 9a.
- Re: Natural/traditional way to seal wood floors? From: De Bell-Frantz
- 10.
- Green, Sustainable Living From: Sharon Ericson
Messages
- 1a.
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Re: Bull.
Posted by: "Sharon Ericson" skericson@gmail.com notmyown_1cor6
Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:52 am (PDT)
Hi, Carrie
New York Mills - just on the other side of Perham........
Sharon
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Carrie <carrieeclark@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Hi Sharon~ Where in Nw MN? My family is around the Fargo area.
>
> Tx,
> Carrie
>
> _
>
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- 2a.
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Re: AUGH! "Taking statins in pregnancy could avert a caesarean, rese
Posted by: "Lana Gibbons" lana.m.gibbons@gmail.com wiredpsyche
Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:13 am (PDT)
I got this link on another group today, figured I'd forward it since it was
mentioned here.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ birthathome/ index.html
-Lana
On 6/18/08, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> Well that may explain why I couldn't find anyone to homebirth in my prior
> location.
>
> Such a pity...
>
> -Lana
>
> "There is nothing more useful than sun and salt." - Latin proverb
>
>
>> Treasure these freedoms. They're coming under fire:
>>
>> http://thebigpushformidwives. org/pdf-bin/ news.061608. pdf
>>
>> I was fortunate to be able to birth my last one at home, but I found out
>> today that the m/w who cared for me during my pg is no longer doing
>> homebirths. :(
>>
>> --s
>
>
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- 2b.
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Re: AUGH! "Taking statins in pregnancy could avert a caesarean, rese
Posted by: "Elena" elena.forums@gmail.com e_lash
Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:17 pm (PDT)
Are they kindding??? This is ridiculous. I feel like I'm back in Soviet Russia!!!!
We had a home birth and it was awesome! I don't see why a healthy woman with very low-
risk uncomplicated pregnancy would be forced to go to the hospital (well, except for the
financial gains for someone, of course). This is the dumbest thing.
Elena
--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups. , Suzanne Noakes <snoakes@...com > wrote:
>
>
>
> Lana Gibbons wrote:
> > I'm so glad that since I moved I found a nice practice of midwives who run a
> > birth center (which is actually a little cottage - its really cute!) They
> > do home birth but since we no longer have our own place we're going to the
> > cottage. I'm so glad I'm getting the out-of-hospital birth I wanted (as
> > long as I remain low risk - which I still am to date!).
> Treasure these freedoms. They're coming under fire:
>
> http://thebigpushformidwives. org/pdf-bin/ news.061608. pdf
>
> I was fortunate to be able to birth my last one at home, but I found out
> today that the m/w who cared for me during my pg is no longer doing
> homebirths. :(
>
> --s
>
- 2c.
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Re: AUGH! "Taking statins in pregnancy could avert a caesarean, rese
Posted by: "Chris Masterjohn" chrismasterjohn@gmail.com chrismasterjohnx
Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:50 pm (PDT)
On 6/18/08, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@gmail.com > wrote:
> AUGHHHH!*
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/4d5zfl
There is something tragicomic in this, in that it is currently
recommended women of childbearing age avoid statins because it is
acknowledged that they can cause birth defects.
Chris
- 3.1.
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Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome
Posted by: "carolyn_graff" zgraff@charter.net carolyn_graff
Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:39 am (PDT)
to avoid the carbs in milk, some low-carbers will add water to heavy cream and drink that
instead.
--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups. , "boris.berlin" <grooverocknyc@com ...> wrote:
>
> --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups. , "Pendraig Siberians" <blaidd2@> wrote:com
> > Guess I'm cutting out my chocolate milk unless I can learn to like the
> > stevia =) Would you consider the milk too high of a carb?
>
>
> Hi Dawn,
>
> Milk has a good amount of lactose, so for recovering diebetics I don 't recommend milk,
> but heavy cream and butter. Switching the energy metabolism to fat not sugars is
desired.
>
> Also, for anyone recovering from any condition, I recommend nutrition that's easy on
the
> liver. Thus, I recommend goat and sheep dairy, not cows dairy, for the recovery period.
> Raw dairy is preferred over pasteurized, if available.
>
> Boris
>
- 4.1.
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Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Posted by: "Michael" slethnobotanist@gmail.com slethnobotanist
Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:17 pm (PDT)
Connie,
> If you suspect your liver and adrenals are hurtin, and like I said I
> know what that means, then small meals will help them take it easy.
> Did you ever try that eating every 3 hours thing? It feels pretty
> good with low carb, it doesn't have to be high carb low fat like the
> old bodybuilders used to do.
Old bodybuilders? You mean the 80's? The generation (50's and 60's)
before typically were not high carbers..
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
- 4.2.
-
Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Posted by: "Michael" slethnobotanist@gmail.com slethnobotanist
Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:19 pm (PDT)
Chris
> Fasting depresses thyroid hormone levels to conserve energy. I'm not
> positive, but I think going against this by supplementing thyroid
> hormone might be reversing the effects of fasting. On the other hand,
> I feel great if I have a little coffee when I fast (otherwise it takes
> a while to adjust), and while i have no idea if that's great for
> detoxification it's probably great for weight loss!
Super for weight loss, super for hunger suppression, and eventually
once you adjust you don't really need it. My guess is that in small
amounts it would have minimal impact on detoxification.
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
- 4.3.
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Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Posted by: "Michael" slethnobotanist@gmail.com slethnobotanist
Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:20 pm (PDT)
Boris,
> Carbs induce insulin output, which counteracts growth hormone.
To what extent? If I took this line of reasoning seriously I wouldn't
have a pre or post workout meal, since the rise in insulin will blunt
GH which exercise increases. Clearly, the insulin effect on GH is not
very significant for most folks.
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
- 4.4.
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Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Posted by: "Michael" slethnobotanist@gmail.com slethnobotanist
Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:21 pm (PDT)
Boris,
> Also, there's an emotional component to healing and thriving... something
> that's not discussed here (technically perhaps not considered
> "native-nutrition"?).
Although it is not the focus of this list, discussions about other
aspects of healing and thriving come up from time to time.
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
- 4.5.
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Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Posted by: "Pendraig Siberians" blaidd2@pendraig.us lady_cigfran
Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:05 pm (PDT)
Oh that's excellent news! =)
Opt for cold brewing?
Dawn
From: native-nutrition@yahoogroups. com
[mailto:native-nutrition@yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of Michaelcom
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:19 PM
To: native-nutrition@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Chris
> Fasting depresses thyroid hormone levels to conserve energy. I'm not
> positive, but I think going against this by supplementing thyroid
> hormone might be reversing the effects of fasting. On the other hand,
> I feel great if I have a little coffee when I fast (otherwise it takes
> a while to adjust), and while i have no idea if that's great for
> detoxification it's probably great for weight loss!
Super for weight loss, super for hunger suppression, and eventually
once you adjust you don't really need it. My guess is that in small
amounts it would have minimal impact on detoxification.
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
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- 4.6.
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Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Posted by: "Chris Masterjohn" chrismasterjohn@gmail.com chrismasterjohnx
Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:14 pm (PDT)
On 6/20/08, Michael <slethnobotanist@gmail.com > wrote:
>> Carbs induce insulin output, which counteracts growth hormone.
> To what extent? If I took this line of reasoning seriously I wouldn't
> have a pre or post workout meal, since the rise in insulin will blunt
> GH which exercise increases. Clearly, the insulin effect on GH is not
> very significant for most folks.
The line of reasoning is not legitimate. No one cares what their GH
levels are except insofar as it has physiological significance. This
is like eating some way to do something to your cholesterol levels.
You only do that if you believe they are a determinant of heart
disease, and you do it because you care about heart disease, not
cholesterol.
So the question is whether eating a post-workout carb-inclusive meal
increases or decreases anabolic activity. Whether it leads to better
or worse muscle gains, better or worse fat loss, better or worse
control of blood sugar, better or worse mood, etc.
These studies, of course, are done on people all the time. So what
should be cited is in vivo human evidence of hard endpoints. Then,
the biochemistry can come in later to explain what is observed.
Insulin is anabolic in itself, and carbs stimulate thyroid hormone
production, which burns fat and is also anabolic. So, you can argue
the biochem both ways. The question is, what happens to the actual
person and the things they actually care about.
Chris
- 4.7.
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Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Posted by: "Michael" slethnobotanist@gmail.com slethnobotanist
Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:15 pm (PDT)
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Chris Masterjohn
<chrismasterjohn@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 6/20/08, Michael <slethnobotanist@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>>> Carbs induce insulin output, which counteracts growth hormone.
>
>> To what extent? If I took this line of reasoning seriously I wouldn't
>> have a pre or post workout meal, since the rise in insulin will blunt
>> GH which exercise increases. Clearly, the insulin effect on GH is not
>> very significant for most folks.
>
> The line of reasoning is not legitimate. No one cares what their GH
> levels are except insofar as it has physiological significance.
Right. People do care, especially lifters. The more academically
oriented ones in my circles talk about it all the time. They think,
rightly or wrongly, that GH has physiological significance, and then
in the same breath say watch out for insulin because it blunts GH, but
then do something to create an insulin spike to further their goals as
you noted (but I snipped) in your response that insulin is anabolic.
I just think it points out the problem of trying to "optimize"
everything, which leads to statements that don't make much sense to me
nor matter much in the real world.
>. The question is, what happens to the actual
> person and the things they actually care about.
Right.
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
- 5a.
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Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Posted by: "Michael" slethnobotanist@gmail.com slethnobotanist
Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:22 pm (PDT)
Connie,
> You can also bounce seated on a ball. Very fun and it's amazing how
> much range of motion you can get. This is good if you're super
> overweight and standing rebounding gets to your knees, ankles, feet.
That has got to be a very cheap rebounder. I actually broke my dad's
rebounder jumping on it one day.
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
- 5b.
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Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Posted by: "Pendraig Siberians" blaidd2@pendraig.us lady_cigfran
Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:05 pm (PDT)
I thought about saving up for the one that Tropical Traditions sells.
My mom had a cheap one when we were growing up. We used to play on it and
yep, we broke it!
Dawn
From: native-nutrition@yahoogroups. com
[mailto:native-nutrition@yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of Michaelcom
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:22 PM
To: native-nutrition@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Connie,
> You can also bounce seated on a ball. Very fun and it's amazing how
> much range of motion you can get. This is good if you're super
> overweight and standing rebounding gets to your knees, ankles, feet.
That has got to be a very cheap rebounder. I actually broke my dad's
rebounder jumping on it one day.
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
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- 5c.
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Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Posted by: "Michael" slethnobotanist@gmail.com slethnobotanist
Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:46 pm (PDT)
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Pendraig Siberians <blaidd2@pendraig.us > wrote:
> I thought about saving up for the one that Tropical Traditions sells.
>
> My mom had a cheap one when we were growing up. We used to play on it and
> yep, we broke it!
>
> Dawn
If you have a big backyard, the best thing to do is buy a trampoline,
of which the rebounder is a derivative. A much better workout, a lot
more fun, and price wise very close to a good quality rebounder.
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
- 5d.
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Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Posted by: "Edella Sutcliffe" edella@ntlworld.com edellasut
Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:56 pm (PDT)
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael
To: native-nutrition@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
<<That has got to be a very cheap rebounder. I actually broke my dad's
rebounder jumping on it one day.>>
There are rebounders and there are "little trampolines" - You don't actually do much heavy jumping on a rebounder as it has quite a hard base and stiff springs. Its not hard on the knees or hips if you use it properly.
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Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
Posted by: "Michael" slethnobotanist@gmail.com slethnobotanist
Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:12 pm (PDT)
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Edella Sutcliffe <edella@ntlworld.com > wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael
> To: native-nutrition@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] [NN] Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrom
>
> <<That has got to be a very cheap rebounder. I actually broke my dad's
> rebounder jumping on it one day.>>
>
> There are rebounders and there are "little trampolines" - You don't actually
> do much heavy jumping on a rebounder as it has quite a hard base and stiff
> springs. Its not hard on the knees or hips if you use it properly.
I'm not sure of the difference between a "little trampoline" and a
rebounder, but I wasn't doing any heavy jumping when it broke. It was
cheap, plain and simple, compared to a much nicer one I had that
somehow disappeared in moving from one place to another.
Still, I would rather get on a trampoline if I had the choice.
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
- 6.1.
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Re: calories in/out [How much was she paid to WRITE THIS CARP??? HFC
Posted by: "Michael" slethnobotanist@gmail.com slethnobotanist
Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:54 pm (PDT)
Bryan,
> Chris, I think you're right about incrementally adjusting diet and/or
> exercise to lose weight (when you want to lose weight). It doesn't
> take much of a deficit to lose 10 or 20 pounds over a year or two.
How many folks you think will stick to a program with that slow of a
weight loss, if weight loss is their goal?
> However, lowering the calories can be a challenge if it leaves you
> hungry.
Which is one of the advantages of intermittent fasting, you can create
a caloric deficit without having to deal with hunger pains as a
constant challenge. And I'm not talking about a daily caloric deficit
but rather one that is measured week by week.
> I had that problem big-time when I tried to do a low-fat diet
> many years ago. So, I think ultimately, satiety with an ideal calorie
> intake for the individual level of exercise and metabolism is the real
> key.
Yes which you can do with intermittent fasting, even if you have a
low-fat dietary approach.
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
- 6.2.
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Re: calories in/out [How much was she paid to WRITE THIS CARP??? HFC
Posted by: "Michael" slethnobotanist@gmail.com slethnobotanist
Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:54 pm (PDT)
Connie
> Although one of the outcomes of the Stephanson study was that the two
> people who lived low carb for a year, increased their BMR. I thought
> that was mildly interesting.
But didn't they only control the diet? Or did they stay at the hospital as well?
> In practical use, the calorie-counting approach is so flawed for some
> of us that those of us for whom the numbers were not designed, have
> to come up with our own income-and-outgo strategy anyway.
Personally, I have always hated calorie counting. Really. The only
time I have ever done it was when I did the Atkins Fat Flush. Other
than that, I have better things to do with my life :-)
Over the last several years I have grown tired of the macro-nutrient
analysis as well. I just want to eat, be healthy, stay slim, and not
have such an enormous amount of my thought and energy applied to
nutrition. I am a purist WAP wise when eating on my own. That is
settled in my life. I absolutely love working out or doing outdoor
physical activities. That too is a settled matter. I find nutrition
and related matters exciting and stimulating, but calorie counting and
now macro-nutrient analysis beyond a certain baseline level has always
rubbed me wrong. It seems to me it is not really addressing some basic
issues, and I just can't imagine this has ever been the way of healthy
groups like the ones Price studied.
Ultimately what delivered me from all of this was intermittent
fasting. Now I have always been a champion of fasting, and have seen
it do some great things in my life and the life of others, but that
was the longer term variety, and not easily incorporated into a
regular routine.
But in the last couple of years I have become more and more aware of
the power and benefit of intermittent fasting as a regular part of our
nutrition cycle, all quite by accident.
In retrospect it all seems so simple. Want to lose weight? Well
instead of trying to figure out what to feed yourself, don't eat. Want
to lose fat? Don't eat. Want to conquer insulin resistance? Don't eat.
Want more mental clarity? Don't eat. Want to break certain addictions?
Don't eat.
Of course not to the point where you are ravenously hungry or
starving, but as a planned daily (16/8 hr fast feed), or a bi-weekly
or weekly (24 hr fast) discipline. The first is directed at athletes
and their unique nutritional requirements and can be used for both
building muscle and/or cutting up/getting lean. The second is for the
every day folk whose aspirations are simply being lean and healthy. In
either case both approaches are relatively simple and refreshing.
After the first few tries you do adapt, hunger is not really an issue,
and you can pretty much eat what you want. In this instance, less is
more. The fasting phase gives you the overall caloric deficit you need
(less), and the feasting phase provides you with the physical and
psychological satiety you need that other approaches generally do not
provide (more).
Even better, you don't have to worry about post workout drinks :-) If
the scale and the mirror give you a sense of satisfaction then in the
end that is all really matters.
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
- 6.3.
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Re: calories in/out [How much was she paid to WRITE THIS CARP??? HFC
Posted by: "Michael" slethnobotanist@gmail.com slethnobotanist
Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:54 pm (PDT)
Bryan,
> The big difficulty is figuring out what that maintenance calorie
> intake is. If you try to drop too much too fast, you may go into
> "starvation mode". I'd guess that makes you feel more tired than
> normal since your body is conserving energy, which is also not good.
That depends on how you lower them.
> It's also difficult to make sure you've got that 100 calorie deficit
> every day. Gaining weight is so easy and losing so hard :)
I think for many people, trying to make such a close approximation
with estimated numbers (including the food you are tracking) leaves
little margin for error, and ultimately leads to frustration and
giving up.
> That's my biggest problem lately as I think I have deficits on some
> days but overages on others, so I net nothing. My weight crept up
> about 5 or 6 pounds last year after initially losing about 30 pounds
> over the year or two before that. My weight has been pretty stable
> this year so far. I still want to drop 20 pounds from my present
> weight, however, from 220 to 200 pounds.
Lift. Stop eating. <weg>
Michael
--
"How do they become one flesh?" As if she were gold receiving purest
gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within
her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her
own substance and she then returns it as a child!"
St. John Chrysostom
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Re: HVAC air filter
Posted by: "De Bell-Frantz" deshabell@juno.com bllfrntz
Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:47 pm (PDT)
Washing down pillows usually results in a substantial loss of feathers,
if they are old enough that the seams or fabric have lost some integrity.
You can try heating them to kill the dust mites in a low oven. A hot
dryer also works for this, but you will have to check for weak seams and
holes for that too, but not as much as for washing, or you will also have
substantial loft loss.
Many old-fashioned dry cleaners will replace the ticking for a small fee,
rather than chemically clean the pillows.
Desh
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Re: creme fraiche or mayo
Posted by: "De Bell-Frantz" deshabell@juno.com bllfrntz
Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:47 pm (PDT)
In general, I find that creamy dairy subsititutes well for mayo. I use a
mixture of creme fraiche, sour cream, yogurt, double cream, and sometimes
I stir in a little oil- if you get your creamy dairy to below 70deg you
can stir in melted coconut oil. Sometimes I use half mayo. Usually one
has to adjust the seasoning as Jane mentioned. The flavors may not be in
perfect harmony (Mediterranean wraps with feta don't immediately go with
a creamy sauce) but it will be yummy- I've made many sour cream
remoulades.
Desh
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Re: creme fraiche or mayo
Posted by: "Chris Masterjohn" chrismasterjohn@gmail.com chrismasterjohnx
Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:54 pm (PDT)
Desh,
> In general, I find that creamy dairy subsititutes well for mayo. I use a
> mixture of creme fraiche, sour cream, yogurt, double cream, and sometimes
> I stir in a little oil- if you get your creamy dairy to below 70deg you
> can stir in melted coconut oil. Sometimes I use half mayo. Usually one
> has to adjust the seasoning as Jane mentioned. The flavors may not be in
> perfect harmony (Mediterranean wraps with feta don't immediately go with
> a creamy sauce) but it will be yummy- I've made many sour cream
> remoulades.
It turns out that I'm going to substitute Fage (fah-ghe) Greek yogurt
(imported from Athens, distinguished from regular yogurt by having its
whey strained, #1-selling yogurt in Greece, by far highest fat content
I've ever seen in a yogurt) for the mayo. These are chicken wraps, by
the way -- not chicken wrapped in something else, but the spinach,
cheese, etc, is wrapped in the chicken.
Chris
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Re: Natural/traditional way to seal wood floors?
Posted by: "De Bell-Frantz" deshabell@juno.com bllfrntz
Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:47 pm (PDT)
You can finish with oil, or beeswax. Martha Stewarts' website may have
directions - it seems I have read a piece in her magazine about wax
sealing a chair.
I worked at an Appalachian hand and woodcraft gallery and we used a wood
feeder called Natchez Solution, which was beeswax, lemon oil and I can't
remember what. It smelled delicious- I bought some for my home as well-
one rubbed it on and left a thick layer overnight to feed the wood,
wiping away excess in the morning.
The difficulty you're going to have is in the floor being too slippery.
Desh
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Green, Sustainable Living
Posted by: "Sharon Ericson" skericson@gmail.com notmyown_1cor6
Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:44 pm (PDT)
The thread on finishing wood floors with a non-toxic finish prompts me to
ask for ideas. We'd love to build an off-grid home at some point between Now
and Then. I have general ideas of what I'd like to do as far as straw bale,
passive solar, wind energy - those major energy systems are fairly easy to
figure out, but it is the living areas that are a bit more tricky. Floor
surfaces (not coverings - as someone pointed out there's sisal, or even
natural wool or organic cotton fibers), and paints are also relatively easy,
but the other things.......like electrical wiring through the walls. We
have an Autistic child and there are times I toy with the possibility that
EMF's and Autism aren't compatible. So how else to run wires? Or how to
shield them? And then there's kitchen design - a standard typical modern
kitchen just doesn't work well with WAPF-style food. I want a fermentation
station.....a wheat/bread area....food pantry. Ideal would be to have a
drain in the floor and a way to scrub it down and rinse it every night
without worrying about foo-foo woodwork.....oh, and a pantry...and maybe a
wood-fired oven......
I'd love to hear other ideas people have or would like to share about their
off-grid WAPF-compatible kitchen ideas..........
Sharon
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have plenty to eat.
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